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Over the past few months Natural Golf was purchased by a reputable California investment group headed by Jose Pepe Sigal. Mr. Sigal’s group is passionate about golf and fully dedicated to bringing the truth of Moe Norman Single Plane and instruction back to the students of Natural Golf.

We, the Graves Golf Academy, are proud to announce that we have formed a strategic partnership with the Sigal Group. With this partnership, Moe Norman, Natural Golf and the Single Plane Golf Swing will now be under our leadership and direction.

Our leadership and control will launch Natural Golf and the Single Plane Swing into a new era of golf instruction that will make it easier than ever to learn what Moe knew, the golf swing of the greatest ball-striker to ever play the game.

Moe played with all sorts of conventional clubs, but he altered them dramatically. He tore off all the conventional golf grips and replaced them with heavy, thicker grips. He adjusted the lie angle to fit him and added more weight to the club head - usually with lead tape. The main thing about Moe Norman's club to know is that they fit him and his personal preference for length, grip size, lie angle, and shaft flex.

 

In my time (Todd's) spent with Moe, he often complained that the Natural Golf grips were too large for his hands.  Pictures of Moe throughout his career show that he played with standard sized grips fit to his hand size.  The key is to have a grip that fits your hand size which will allow for the proper grip / hold of the club thus allowing for maximum distance and control. To see more about grip size, please go to:  http://moenormangolf.com/clubs/recommended-grip-size/

 

It is actually very easy to re-grip clubs on your own.  You can see a detailed instructional video on how to put grips on your clubs at:  http://moenormangolf.com/store/products/graves-golf-academy-grips/ (bottom of page).

No, not necessarily.  Golf clubs are individually built / fit to each individual's size.  Meaning, the length of the club is determined by your height vs. arm length, the lie angle of the club is also determined by height vs. arm length, the grip size is determined by hand size, etc..  The golf club MUST be fit that will allow you to get into the proper single axis positions.  For example, if you 6 iron is the proper length and lie angle for your height vs. arm length, you will be able to stand 26 inches from the golf ball with a 45* spine lean forward (bend at waist) and the club will be flat on the ground.  This will allow for the OPTIMAL single plane swing.  If the club is too long, you will stand too upright, too far from the ball, etc..  If the club is too short, you will stand too close to the ball, bent over too much, etc..

With our acquisition of Natural Golf's instruction, our initial plan is to contact and begin discussions with the former Natural Golf instructors about opportunities going forward. While we anticipate that it will take some time to properly train and equip instructors in the new fundamentals and teaching of Moe Norman's Natural Golf Swing, we have developed several other avenues for you to receive personalized instruction from the Academy.

Option 1 - A 3 or 5 day school program offered through the Graves Golf Academy. These programs, personally led by Todd and Tim Graves, offer each student a full immersion into Moe's swing mechanics and specific fundamentals, in addition to being a great golf experience in and of themselves.

For more information, see the School Schedule.

For detailed information about the 3 day school program, click here,.

For detailed information about the 5 day Build Your Game Camp program, click here.

Option 2 - If traveling to a golf school isn't an option, or  you are just looking for some one on one feedback about any area of your game, our Internet Golf Academy uses today's latest technology to provide you with instruction, coaching and feedback directly from GGA using video and the internet.

Option 3 - Personal Instruction in your Area. Our goal is to have instructors based around the U.S. beginning in early 2012.

While we are fully realistic that we cannot have a trained instructor in every locale around the nation, our goal is to continue to provide avenues for you to get quality, consistent, and concise instruction and feedback through a variety of mediums.  Going forward, we will continue to evaluate market demand and strategic locations to train, equip, and support qualified instructors around the country.

Todd Graves

Todd started his pro golf career in 1991. He played on the Asian Tour, Canadian PGA Tour and U.S. Tours. He coached the National Championship Golf Team at the University of Oklahoma winning the title in 1989.

Todd Graves was an employee of Natural Golf for many years. He was also a personal friend and student of Moe Norman for 11 years when Moe taught him the Single Plane Golf Swing. Todd, after playing on the Canadian PGA Tour, was given the nickname “Little Moe” for his swing likeness to that of the Moe.

Golf Digest, Golf For Women, The Golf Channel, Golf Tips Magazine and other magazines and programs have featured Todd on numerous occasions.

Tim Graves

Tim Graves is a graduate of Oklahoma State University, a professional golfer and Class A PGA member / tournament player. He is known as a “master” of the short game. Tim’s wealth of golf experience includes numerous tournament wins, course records and extensive tournament experience.

Todd and Tim opened the Graves Golf Academy in 2000 with the mission to teach Moe Norman’s Single Plane Golf Swing and help both recreational and competitive golfers improve their game to the highest levels. In 2000, Tim and Todd recognized that Natural Golf, at that time, was not fulfilling the instructional needs of thousands of golfers wanting to learn Moe’s easier way to play.

Having started out as an organization dedicated to teaching Moe’s incredible swing, Natural Golf had lost their focus and started emphasizing the need to have specialized golf clubs to Swing Like Moe. Moe Norman and his Golf swing genius became better known as a method to sell clubs rather than an instruction based company.

As an advocate and instructor of Moe’s swing for Natural Golf, Todd felt that the focus on clubs was keeping golfers from learning the truth. The truth is that throughout his life, Moe did not use special clubs and as proven by Todd and thousands of their students, special clubs are NOT needed to swing the club on a Single Plane.

Because of this emphasis on special golf clubs and loss of focus on Moe’s swing, Todd and Tim separated from Natural Golf and started the Graves Golf Academy to continue teaching and center their instruction on the true benefits of the Single Plane Golf Swing.

In doing so, Todd made a promise to Moe that he would continue to carry both Moe’s personal legacy as well as his legendary simple golf swing so that all golfers in the world could benefit from his incredible genius. In the past 11 years, the Graves Golf Academy has been honored to help tens of thousands of golfers play better golf with Moe Norman’s golf swing.

The basic difference between Graves Golf and Natural Golf Instruction is that Todd and Tim Graves have “decoded” Moe Norman’s golf swing and teach students around the world exactly how and why Moe’s swing simplifies golf and how Norman became the world’s greatest ball-striker.

Natural Golf, on the other hand, bastardized the Single Plane Golf Swing to sell their golf clubs. This is the reason for so much confusion and misunderstanding of the single Plane Golf swing.

GGA views Moe Norman’s golf swing as a perfect biomechanical model for the golf swing.  In study of the swing, Moe swung the golf club exactly how the club should be swung to achieve consistently straight ball flight.  GGA believes that the best way to achieve Moe-like results is to model exactly what Moe Norman did.

On the other hand, Natural Golf looked at Moe as “a great example of a Single Plane Swing”, but didn’t view his mechanics as absolutes that must be adhered to in order to achieve simplicity and consistency.  This left quite a bit of variation from one instructor to another. Furthermore, much of Natural Golf Instruction was based on a larger grip and selling golf clubs which are unnecessary to benefit from the Single Plane Swing and Swing Like Moe.

GGA teaches the Single Plane Golf swing – Defined by addressing the ball on the same shaft plane as you impact.  But there is more to the swing than just this concept.  Moe Norman exemplified and showed us the perfect Model.  And in doing so, he showed us that there are specific “biomechanics” that further simplify the Single Plane Golf Swing – things such as where the club aligned in relation with the back and how to simplify getting to the most important place in the swing – impact. When these specific things are applied (when you model Moe) golf ball-striking is simplified.

You might have lost speed and power because of the Natural Golf Palm Grip. Why?  Because, most of the speed in the golf swing comes from the hands.  Therefore, proper hand movement (hand action) is mandatory to hit the ball long distances. Holding the Grip in the palms, as Natural Golf taught, inhibited your hand movement.  Losing hand action is why you lost speed and this is one of the main differences between Graves Golf (GGA) and Natural Golf.

Natural golf taught a Palm Grip. GGA promotes a Moe Norman overlapping (unification) of the hands and a lead thumb tucked deeply into the trail hand so the wrist joints can work together to move the club with maximum speed and angles.  This is the hand position that Moe Norman used to become the best ball-striker in the world.  A correctly sized grip allows the hands to work as speed producers.  A grip that is too large places the club deeply into the palm of the hands thus reducing the hand’s and wrist’s ability to produce speed.

Moe Norman used an overlapping hand position to win every single tournament (54 Total) and set every course record (41 total).  He changed to a 10 finger grip in 1994 when he agreed to promote Natural Golf.

Interestingly, if you study video or images of Moe’s swing with an overlapping grip and a 10-finger grip, you will notice that Moe lost leverage angle (speed) when he switched to the 10-finger grip. (show images)

In addition, when Moe switched to the 10-finger grip, he NEVER gripped the club in his palms.  The placement of the grip in his hands did not change when he changed to the 10-finger grip, the grip was still in the fingers of his lead hand, and slightly above the fingers of his trail hand.

No.  The only requirement is that your equipment fit you as an individual.

GGA’s perspective on clubs is very simple, and again based on what Moe Norman himself did – Moe had clubs that fit him for length, lie angle, shaft flex, and grip size.

Our recommendation to you, in order to help you maximize your swing speed and swing like Moe, would be to consult our recommended grip sizing chart on this page of our website, (put website page here) and work to adjust your grip size to an ideal size based on your individual hand size.  GGA has produced a grip for Single Plane Golfers that can be built to fit any hand size, and they come with markings to help you place your hands on the clubs perfectly (just like Moe) every time

This is one of the most common misconceptions about Moe Norman’s Single Plane swing, and was born out of the grip being taught to golfers from the inception of Natural Golf.

When you grip the club in the lead hand up in or near the lifeline of the palm, you decrease the amount of angle that can be formed between the lead arm and the club shaft at the top of the swing.  Since Natural Golfers, gripping the club in the lifeline of the lead hand as they were taught couldn’t create as much “leverage” angle at the top of their swings, they were not able to produce as much club head speed through impact, and they lost distance on all their clubs.

What we (GGA) have found through in depth study of Moe, is that when he held the club in the fingers of the lead hand, he was able to create as much leverage angle at the top of his swing as any other professional golfer, and his distance did not suffer.  Many GGA students, after modeling Moe’s overlapping grip as taught by GGA, are actually hitting the ball more solidly and further than they ever have.

What may have confused so many, like yourself, was whether Natural Golf was a club company OR golf instruction company.  We understand your confusion.  We understand that you were told that you needed Natural Golf Clubs to swing on a Single Plane.   We also understand that you might even feel like you have been “had” by purchasing clubs from a company that is no longer in business.

Please understand that it is because of this confusion that we, the Graves Golf Academy (GGA) decided to purchase Natural Golf.  Currently, we are in the process of cleaning up this confusion – and we started by purchasing Natural Golf Instruction – ONLY.

We know that some of you are disappointed and frustrated with Natural Golf – and because of this, our purchase of the Natural Golf Instruction was not an easy decision.  But we did it because we know that it is the best decision for the future of simplifying golf, the Single Plane Golf Swing, Moe Norman and helping golfers, like you.

Natural Golf Clubs were built with larger grips, longer shafts and upright lie-angles. Because of these factors, we have found that clubs with these characteristics do not IDEALLY support the Moe Norman Single Plane Golf Swing.

Therefore, because of the improper design characteristics, The Graves Golf Academy chose not to support Natural Golf Clubs – which is the reason we separated from the original Natural Golf Company in 2000.  Based on our research and success in teaching golfers around the world, long and upright clubs are NOT necessary for swinging on a Single Plane.  You can swing on a Single Plane with ANY golf clubs – as long as they are correctly fit.

Natural Golf Clubs

No. This is may be the #1 myth surrounding the Moe Norman / Single plane method.  While clubs are an important part of playing your best golf, "special" clubs are not required.  The MOST important aspect about clubs is that the fit you as an individual.  As Tim Graves likes to say, "It doesn't matter if your clubs come from KMart, if they fit you, they are good clubs."  The Graves Golf Academy has established and maintained relationships with top club manufacturers such as Titleist, Cobra, Callaway, Taylormade and Cleveland, allowing their students to have clubs built to fit them individually and delivered to their doors within a couple weeks.

Moe played with all sorts of conventional clubs, but he altered them dramatically. He tore off all the conventional golf grips and replaced them with heavy, thicker grips. He adjusted the lie angle to fit him and added more weight to the club head - usually with lead tape. The main thing about Moe Norman's club to know is that they fit him and his personal preference for length, grip size, lie angle, and shaft flex.

 

Club fitting for the single axis swing can be done in person or a static fit (not in person). A static fit is done by taking a golfers static measurements (i.e. height, arm length, hand size, distance hit particular irons, etc.. ) and using these variables to determine a properly fit club / set. To see more details about club fitting, or have a free fitting done, please go to: http://moenormangolf.com/clubs/free-club-fittings/

We have some fittings on file, but most often, whether we have them on file or not, we like to make sure they are currently updated.  You can update your fittings and confirm they are on file at:  http://moenormangolf.com/clubs/free-club-fittings/

The Graves Golf Academy acquired the rights to instructional component of Natural Golf.  We did not acquire the golf club portion of the company, meaning, there is very little we can do to replace broken / defective Natural Golf product.  We are more than happy to recommend suitable replacements, whether it be in clubs, shafts, etc.. and more than happy to offer the best deals in the industry to help with replacements. 

In my time (Todd's) spent with Moe, he often complained that the Natural Golf grips were too large for his hands.  Pictures of Moe throughout his career show that he played with standard sized grips fit to his hand size.  The key is to have a grip that fits your hand size which will allow for the proper grip / hold of the club thus allowing for maximum distance and control. To see more about grip size, please go to:  http://moenormangolf.com/clubs/recommended-grip-size/

 

The Graves Golf Academy recommends a grip to fit your hand size.   We also offer a grip that is specialized for Moe's single axis swing which has markings that help you place your hands on the club PERFECT every time.  You can see these grips at:  http://moenormangolf.com/store/products/graves-golf-academy-grips/

You can see specific size recommendations at:  http://moenormangolf.com/clubs/recommended-grip-size/

It is actually very easy to re-grip clubs on your own.  You can see a detailed instructional video on how to put grips on your clubs at:  http://moenormangolf.com/store/products/graves-golf-academy-grips/ (bottom of page).

No, not necessarily.  Golf clubs are individually built / fit to each individual's size.  Meaning, the length of the club is determined by your height vs. arm length, the lie angle of the club is also determined by height vs. arm length, the grip size is determined by hand size, etc..  The golf club MUST be fit that will allow you to get into the proper single axis positions.  For example, if you 6 iron is the proper length and lie angle for your height vs. arm length, you will be able to stand 26 inches from the golf ball with a 45* spine lean forward (bend at waist) and the club will be flat on the ground.  This will allow for the OPTIMAL single plane swing.  If the club is too long, you will stand too upright, too far from the ball, etc..  If the club is too short, you will stand too close to the ball, bent over too much, etc..

We sincerely apologize for this confusion but we do not know if your clubs fit you or not. The answer to whether your clubs fit, or not, is whether your clubs promote and fit the ideal Single Plane Golf Swing.

Based on our years of research and instruction, we believe that club fitting and Moe’s swing mechanics are inter-related.  In other words, your clubs must be fit to YOUR single plane golf swing.  Therefore, if your clubs are too long or upright, they will not promote simplifying your golf swing to and ideal Single Plane.

In most cases GGA has seen over the past 11 years, the clubs produced by Natural Golf do NOT fit the golfers who use them.  This was the proverbial “straw that broke the camel’s back” with GGA’s relationship with Natural Golf.

Knowing that clubs must fit an individual based on their height, arm length, wrist to floor measurement and hand size, we (GGA) have found that unless a golfers is over 6’2” tall, Natural Golf clubs are too long in club length, too upright in lie angle, and have grips that are too large to fit the golfers hands in well over 95% of cases we’ve measured.

We’ve found that clubs produced by Natural Golf aren’t easily adjustable for lie angles, and even when we’ve cut Natural Golf Clubs to the correct lengths and installed the correct grip sizes, the swing weight of the clubs isn’t correct.

Simply put, in our 11 years teaching the Single Plane Swing, the clubs manufactured and distributed by Natural Golf often cause more harm than good. We’ve even seen golfers with Natural Golf clubs adjust their address positions and swings in order to fit the Natural Golf clubs, instead of modeling Moe as the ideal biomechanical model.

If you review our swing teaching, a perfect Single Plane Golf Swing is about achieving a perfect impact position.  To achieve this, you must have properly fit clubs – starting with how the club “relates” to the body at impact.  We have found that the club must match impact with the body.  We call this point the mid-spine intersect point. Fittings take into account club length, shaft flex, lie angles (for irons), and grip size.  Each equipment order through the GGA custom Proline equipment program is guaranteed to fit you perfectly for your height, arm length, hand size, swing speed, along with several other important factors.

To swing like Moe Norman, golf clubs must fit the dynamics of his single plane golf swing.  Video shows how, at address and impact, the single plane of Moe Norman’s club-shaft intersect what GGA calls the Mid-Spine Intersect™.    You can see the Mid-Spine Intersect™ with every club.  Pictured below is Driver and a 6 Iron, both intersecting at the Mid-Spine Intersect™.

If clubs are not properly fit or the clubs are manufactured too long and upright it will be impossible to match the golf club with the Mid-Spine Impact™ point.  You will also have problems if the club is too flat.  The goal of properly fit clubs is to match the golf club with the Mid-Spine Intersect™ and Mid-Spine Impact™ point.